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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 13/07/2011 18:03:59
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1542858
 Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
I wasn't there at the time, but I suspect the conversation back then went like this:
Players: PLEX is pay to win.
CCP: No it's not. And it lets us fight RMT. And it doesn't interfere with your economy. And it lets you pay less/nothing to play EVE. It's great.
Players: Yes it is. But we accept it as a compromise because we love CCP and we love Internet Spaceships in a sandbox.
Now:
CCP (and dev alts and clueless fanbois/trolls): PLEX has always been P2W. It's exactly like Aurum. Nothing to see here. Why u so mad?
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:08:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1542112
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
PLEX is pay 2 win. But it was a compromise. It helps fight RMT. It helps players play for less money and/or manage more accounts. It doesn't mess up the in-game economy. It doesn't give CCP the incentive to break things and then sell the 'fixes' back to us. It doesn't give CCP an incentive to stop improving the overall game.
Aurum only benefits CCP and hurts EVE. Hilmar watched that video about MT and thought it sounded brilliant. But it only works in a F2P game. He's going to find that out the hard way.
tl;dr You clarified nothing. Please stop trying to explain things you don't understand. If I want to hear clueless mewling I'll tune in to Lost in EVE or read a devblog.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:31:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815
CCP Zulu: "Itæs clear that itæs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weæve come up with a strategy that weæve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community." (emphasis mine)
If it was clear then, when did it stop being clear?
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marchocias
I think the cognitive bias that you speak of is really just an unwillingness to articulate for the umpteenth time the finer points of the difference between Plex-for-isk and Plex-for-gold-ammo / Plex-for-stuff-out-of-thin-air merely to see the same misleading and thoroughly debunked talking points being raised by trolls/dev alts again.
FYP (though it was already pretty good.)
If PLEX were the same as aurum, CCP wouldn't have implemented aurum. They'd have sold vanity items for ISK (creating a desperately needed and long overdue ISK sink) and let people who wanted vanity items without grinding for them buy PLEX and sell them for ISK like they always have. CCP knows they're not the same and so do shills like Akita.
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.13 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Sherlock
IMO, Play to win means I can pay IRL currency to get what I want. I can in eve right now, and have.
Not having to care about losing a ship makes the game more enjoyable when you can buy two nicely fitted ships for $15, aprox what you pay for lunch daily for work.
If I do not have to spend endless hours (i'm asuming), grind missions for ISK, instead just paying for it, I consider that P2W. Let it be know that I enjoy this mechanic, it enables me to do what I want, not grind for what I want like most mmos.
No, douchenozzle, caring about losing stuff is what makes EVE EVE.
(Was hoping I could agree with this post so I could say "No ****, sherlock." Son, I am disappoint.)
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